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"To Be or Not to Be?At Annapolis (Jonah)" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-12-01 14:25:04

First of all let me just defend for the dreadful joke that I made in the title of this affix. Currently. Lebanon is represented at the Annapolis Convention by Culture Minister Tarek Mitri. According to the announcement that Mitri would be representing Lebanon at the Convention was met with a “generally positive reaction” in the streets of Beirut. Many believe that Lebanon should be there to express their opinion on such matters. Yet at the same time. Hizbullah has go out in sharp opposition of Lebanon’s participation in Annapolis. What can Lebanon hope to get out of the Annapolis Convention? Obviously, peace between Israel and the Palestinians would increase stability in the region which would certainly benefit Lebanon. There might also be some  economic benefits for Lebanon. Yet many Lebanese are interested in the Annapolis Convention mainly because the issue of Lebanon’s political instability is expected to come up during the convention. Some Lebanese citizens speak with very cautious optimism and express wish that perhaps the Annapolis Convention could lead to develop towards “peace in Lebanon.” At the same time many people in the streets of Beirut although they might give Lebanese participation are very pessimistic about the chances of real progress being achieved at Annapolis. This feeling is best described by the words of Salim Omar who despite supporting Lebanese participation also said that he expects “nothing positive” to appear from Annapolis.  A challenge that arises from this discussion is why would anyone oppose Lebanese participation in the convention. Although the prospects of progress may be dim what’s the harm in attending? One Lebanese man tried to inform his opposition to Lebanese participation to He explained that he does not want his country to act because he believes that the convention is detrimental to the Palestinian create and is “furthering the agendas of furnish and the Israelis.” Although. Lebanon’s participation in the convention may not have much affect on what happens at the convention this story does provide an interesting insight into an Arab country’s reactions to Annapolis.

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"Jonah Stein commenting on Complaining about Some Google Missteps" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-10-12 03:57:24

I don't generally like to pick on Google or anyone else in particular for that matter but since the search giant is hitting on all cylinders. I think they can probably take a little nudge or two. I'm going to keep this short sweet and to the point (and also very self-centric because it's tough to effectively analyze everything that might have happened on someone else's site): A very popular post I wrote a few weeks back called "" still. Yahoo! . Live. Google's visited it with their spider plenty... What gives? There's almost pointing to it. Hey look... We're back to ranking #2 for "" after we 301'd our old page to the. I'm going to go with the theory that we got penalized for having too much content in CSS hidden layers because we used drop-downs for the list of companies so the page wouldn't be huge. I'm trying to make it good for users. Google! Don't penalize for that! SEOmoz's Toolbar PageRank on our dropped from a 7 to a 6. I had assumed that because it occurred during the normal PR update and not 2 days beforehand when paid link sites were hit it was a natural drop. However logging into Webmaster Tools today. I note that the homepage has gained almost 10,000 new inbound links since I last checked a few months back... Seems awful fishy. Last thing on Webmaster Central - in that links section why not offer a "sort by" option? I know I can download to Excel but it's such a comparative pain and it seems like the kind of thing that would take a programmer 20 minutes to add. I've heard lots of folks ask for it... Blogsearch is such a joke! I can find that no one ever links to within 10 seconds of posting a new entry on SEOmoz but even 2 or 3 days after publishing content here blogsearch still hasn't picked it up. Yet supposedly according to Google's own reader stats we're or so feeds on the web (). If you were serious about removing paid links from passing value wouldn't rank anywhere for the term "SEO." Take a look at who is linking to the domain and the page and why. There's so many dozens of visible examples of this "paid network" sort of effect on the web it's hard to believe no one's written an exposé yet (technically. SEOChat is doing the same thing but they've been in the top spot for so many years they've earned lots of natural link goodness too). You know who really should be ranking there? . Yahoo! and Live both have him in the top 10 :) After Dave Naylor wrote about and. I figured you'd take the time to figure out what's going on with it but wow still happening. One of those issues is 6 months old! Those webmaster screenshots with the bold PR next to the links.. Isn't that a firefox/greasemonkey plugin (and hence not google's fault)? We don't get those bold PR ratings next to the links in webmaster central in the UK - maybe it's a US thing.... My pet peeve is about how google is really bad at determining when IT in a search string is related to computer stuff and when it's not. I wrote a post ages ago but then I can hardly expect Cutts himself to swing by and read it ;-) Also - do you think that the page not being indexed might be something to do with ? (these comment links are nofollowed right?!) Surely with the amount of scrapers out there Google will get it wrong eventually with the duplicate content thing? I mean it's not ideal but I think to highlight the fact that one specific page isn't indexed by Google but is for Yahoo/Live is kind of missing the point. I imagine in the long run Yahoo/Live get it wrong more than google does with all these scrapers and you'd need to look at lots of pages together rather than picking the one specific post which Google tripped up on. Also - what are you pointing out with ? Here in the UK I see you no2 but don't see any potential copyright infringements? Ha. Good job you mentioned that difference between it and IT - I "noticed" that again yesterday and was going to blog about it! I had forgotten you already had... I might still write my post because it has some interesting differences between paid and natural searches but I'll make sure I remember you've already written about it! Rand. I believe the funky colors and strange PR numbers aren't coming from Google but rather from a script you have installed in your browser (probably Joost's ). Can you check to see if you have it installed? You can turn Greasemonkey off and just reload the page - it should only list the links. The orange striked through links are nofollowed links those you CAN complain about because I don't know why Google would want to show those unless they use them in ranking somehow... The explanation (and installation) of the scripts colors and stuff is. I guess this means that Google will have to either integrate my stuff into their pages or email me when they do code changes :) The first one might be due to a few reasons like it being tagged "Spamming & Black Hat". Or the usage of PageRank and PR too many times on the page. You're probably right on the tipping point; it's a percentages game these days with G. Of course more along the lines of conspiracy we could assume things like the link to Andy Beard or shudder; Google censoring it. I think your PR drop is most likely due to the fact that PR dropped for most sites including Apple etc. It was across the board which I can remember having occurred one time earlier. My theory is that it's a kind of re-pageranking of the entire web to make up for the pages added. Plus who worries about PR anyway? Everyone seems to always be saying it's dead but the fixation still appears to be there.... I just hope that if you get some answers off-line that you'll share them with your readers and not pull the same link baiting stunt that some other SEO blogger has pulled recently. With the next to worthless data they show inside webmaster's tools with all of the garbage nofollow links from bloggers that don't care to recognize their commenter's work forum posts etc I haven't looked at it in months. After I saw those PageRank and Anchor Text additions I actually logged in tonight. I'm glad John Mueller came along and explained what was going on because I thought I was getting some cheap-low-budget version of WMT. The malformed search results count has been around for a while. I figured it was another famous "bad data push" but it sure seems too persistant for that must be a glitch.. err feature. The indexing bug is very puzzling indeed. Live has it as well. You search something it tells you it has 1.000 results and you click to page 7 or 8 and it only has like 400... Blogsearch only works well for Blogger - in terms of catching new content fast. I have a niche blogspot Blog with PR3 and it catches new posts in less than one hou posting them in the main Google as well. I'm glad to see posts questioning Google from Rand. 1 it keeps people believing that he is still one of the guys (not that anyone thought otherwise) and 2 it shows that everyone can have issues despite following best practices and doing whatever they are supposed to do. It does seem like censorship on Google's part although I doubt that is the case. It is strange that for a case study I bought a new domain put together a new site in five minutes using very very basic SEO principles gave it one inbound link and it was indexed and showing up in Google SERP's within three days. Rand's post is obviously far more worthwhile and nada. Hello everyone. I wanted to publicly apologize to Rand for my earlier post where I chastised him for this post. I’ve been watching this post all day long and as NickNick said a lot of great information has come from the comments of this post. Maybe we should all complain a little bit more often about wrongs we feel about our websites or our client websites? No. I doubt Matt would enjoy spending his evening listening to all of us gripe. Anyways. Rand if I’ve stepped on any toes I do hope you’ll forgive me and accept my apology for accusing you of what I accused you of earlier. I didn't see it as a temper tantrum rather just pointing out a few oddities w. Google. I still think that by and large their SERPs tend to more relevant than the other three engines although I have been quite impresssed by Live lately. My "peeve" is just related to a problem I am having with one of my client's sites. I'd like an easy way in webmaster tools to tell the search engine when you are 301'ing an entire site. Or to know if you are under some kind of penalty or waiting period. I tried to submitting a sitemap for both sites and then changing the old one to show the new URLs but this didn't seem to work. Obviously all of the page URLs on the old site are 301'ed using htaccess. My client was ranking #1 for a bunch of locally competitive terms and now he is #50 with BOTH sites appearing in the index. I understand that it may take awhile to re-accumulate rankings but the fact that both are appearing in the index worries me. I think Google thinks I am doing something fishy when I could assure them it is entirely white hat! "A very popular post I wrote a few weeks back called "Google PageRank Losses for Hundreds of Websites" still hasn't been indexed. Yahoo! has it. Live has it. Google's visited it with their spider plenty... What gives? There's almost 1000 links pointing to it." I don't want to be presumptive here but judging from the time that Mr. Cutts entered this thread (just below). I'm almost vain enough to think that perhaps he was the one that gave me the thumbs down. I don't want to be presumptive but if that is in fact the case - "Wow!" I'm honored. I'll take a thumbs down from Matt Cutts any day of the week. BTW Matt - great commentary below. Definitely not evil! I don't want to be presumptive here but judging from the time that Mr. Cutts entered this thread (just below). I'm almost vain enough to think that perhaps he was the one that gave me the thumbs down. I don't want to be presumptive but if that is in fact the case - "Wow!" I'm honored. I'll take a thumbs down from Matt Cutts any day of the week. BTW Matt - great commentary below. Definitely not evil! I don't think its a temper tantrum at all. I have a few of these indexing issues myself and its nice to know it can happen to some of the big guys as well. That tells me its not just me - its Google. When someone does a post like this. I think you'll find dozens of people come out and say "Oh wait yeah I have that too..." - and then we reach critical mass and Google does something. Hopefully. I am often frustrated with Google's results not the least because changing my C-block by going through a server in another hosting site will change which part the google index I'm seeing. Swear to god once the one I get via RoadRunner at my house did not change at all one weekend. I was banging on a blog post linking to it trying to watch how Google search returned different results - Nothing. Then I went through a webserver out in CA and went to google - there were all sorts of different responses. As Joost commented. I also don't know why google is showing no-follow links in google webmaster tools. That makes me think that Google still might hold some value for no-follow links. I posted same query on other post about no-follow concepts but didn't got any satisfactory answer. I can see Yahoo Answers pointing to my site and it is picked up by google webmasters tools even if they are no-follow links. If Google don't consider no-follow of any value why they still log it in webmasters tools. Matt. I don't suppose you'd be kind enough to shed some light on I blogged about a while ago? Even if it's just pointing me in the direction of some other articles writing about how Google copes with the difference and how you guys attempt to ensure relvancy with these kind of phrases? It's something I haven't seen much talk about and I think there's still a fair amount of work to be done in this area. Would love your thoughts! There are very very few words where capitalizing makes a big difference in the word sense. One other example I can think of is polish vs. Polish. So even though if you go back and read the original Google pages they talk about indexing the case of a document in terms of effort vs payoff the win is very low. That said. I have heard people ask about this before. I'll send a pointer to your post to some webranking people but I'll mention that in the past we've viewed as not as big a help as other things we could do. Thanks for the reply Matt - are you saying that the capitalisation actually plays a part in determining which search results to show? When I wrote that post (which was admitedly a while ago) I tried using both "IT" and "it" in search strings and couldn't see any difference in the rankings... I agree though that simply looking at the capitalisation doesn't help that much since people will still search for "it support" when they mean "IT support" or "polish" when they mean "Polish". As you well know searchers are lazy after all! I obviously can't speak for Matt but I think he is talking more about paying attention to case when spidering (because most people will use the correct capitalisation on their websites) in order to improve search results when they determine (through context etc.) that you mean IT rather than it (because you search 'it support for example). Will - yeah re-reading I see what you're saying and that makes much more sense than taking the capitalisation out of the search string! Matt - no problems. I'd love to be part of the discussion but then I guess that's what I get for persuing a career in SEO and not being a technical SERP engineer at Google ;-) Then tell us which ones are nofollowed and which aren't. You aren't giving away any PageRank info. And it appears that Joost has a script to tell the world that anyway. We have tens of thousands of links to the OneCall com site and I'd like to know which are nofollowed and which aren't. Furthermore tell me what the inbound link text is for the link. This will make it easier for me to target sites that are using silly anchor text to link to our site. Case in point was BigPictureBigSound com using the term "Get a Deal not the Shaft" to link to OneCall com. Not at all a marketing phrase we want associated with OneCall. I only found it because he happen to be a unique phrase when I Googled it I found it easily. Only found the phrase because it was in the top 10 inbound phrases to our site. Google needs to associate the link info and the anchor text info together so webmasters and SEOs can quickly find the sites that should improve their anchor text. I'd love to be able to call or email the sites that are linking to us with 'Click Here' (#11 inbound). 'Buy Now' (#10 inbound). 'Go to Store' (#5 inbound). 'Here' (#21 inbound). 'This Link' (#25 inbound) you get the point. To complete my rant. I will point to Vanns com. A competitor of OneCall's that I have submitted spam notices on talked to Googlebods about at SES San Jose etc. This page come on can you stuff any more keywords on the page? The ultimate overkill is the changing of the alt text on their own damn logo! Yet nothing gets done and they continue to be one or two slots above me on most searches. FRUSTRATING! Is it me or is Google getting more and more "manual"? I mean they seem to be adjusting the results by hand ranking who they choose. Even if they are using the algorythm it can too be programmed to filter out specific sites. I wonder why I don't hear much of that in Yahoo and Live. They don't seem to be picking on specific sites. - the PR displays in your backlinks are a custom script from Joost that you installed. It's not our fault if that Firefox addon is acting up on you. :) - we did do a full PageRank update several weeks ago seomoz org went down one notch not because of link selling but just because there's less PageRank flowing around in some areas (e g search and SEO). Vanessa Fox's site dropped by one as well and for her as well it's just a case where less PageRank is flowing in some niches of the net. PageRank doesn't always monotonically increase. - I see http://www seomoz org/blog/complaining-about-some-google-missteps indexed now. We didn't do anything manual to keep that post from being indexed before just like we didn't do anything manual to get it indexed now. I may check it out at work but the answer most likely lies in how much you linked to that post from internal pages. - We also didn't do anything special/manual for your recommended list or how that page got scored. I suspect that 301'ing the old page was helpful but we never guarantee that we're going to rank a given page for a given query. - I'll pass on the "Sort By" feature request but when you're only displaying a small fraction of your links on the web page it didn't seem that helpful to me to sort that small fraction of links. That's why the export feature is so handy--so you can slice and dice the data yourself. - Blogsearch does work on pings. Lots of sites will automatically ping for you (e g blogspot) and lots of software can ping for you as well (e g wordpress). I know that one other search engine wasn't getting pings to Google for a few days because of an issue at the other search engine but I believe that issue was fixed a week or so ago. I'm guessing that you've customized your software quite a bit--which places do you ping? - To say "page A shouldn't rank at this postion because it has paid links" commits the logical fallacy that it's the paid links that cause page A to rank as opposed to the other links to page A. - I'll be happy to pass on the relevance suggestions but [randfish seomoz] does return lots of randfish/seomoz related material. :) - I got a full 991 to 1000 results for your last query but things can vary slightly depending on which data center you hit if we're swapping in new data etc. "- we did do a full PageRank update several weeks ago seomoz org went down one notch not because of link selling but just because there's less PageRank flowing around in some areas (e g search and SEO). Vanessa Fox's site dropped by one as well and for her as well it's just a case where less PageRank is flowing in some niches of the net. PageRank doesn't always monotonically increase."This speaks volumes and I like it! At my local Border's bookstore the IT section used to take up almost one entire corner of the store - about 1/9th of the total floor space of a somewhat huge store. However now as a percentage of the book-buying population less people are interested in IT now that the dot com boom has come and gone (or they are buying less books for it) and now the IT section has been relegated to a section about half of its original size. So PageRank is like this as well. Links to search related blogs and websites used to be pretty high as a percentage of overall links on the web. But now less people outside of SEO/search are linking into SEO/search related sites. So even if a site gets more inbound links (10,000+) - overall the inbound links to the website (and the referring SEO-related sites) are down compared to the rest of the links on the web. Matt well done! And you didn't once use the phrase "Stochasticity Adjustment". The only one I'll still quibble with is the recommended list. Two weeks ago you could type in the exact title tag and add site:seomoz org and it would still be the very last result - it was a clear penalty issue. The 301 made an instanteous difference once it was indexed and the result now ranks for all sorts of good stuff as it used to prior to our modifications to the display. Blogsearch pings... Hmm.... I should really connect with Jeff & Mel. Yes - SEOmoz is completely custom built no CMS software so it's very possible that we're not pinging at all. BTW - Si's wondering if you liked his post on PageRank. I told him he'd have to ask you in person :) wget http://www seomoz com/blog/toolbar-pagerank-losses-for-hundreds-of-websites--09:28:33-- http://www seomoz com/blog/toolbar-pagerank-losses-for-hundreds-of-websites => `toolbar-pagerank-losses-for-hundreds-of-websites'Resolving www seomoz com... 209.160.33.125Connecting to www seomoz com|209.160.33.125|:80.. connected. HTTP request sent awaiting response... 301 Moved PermanentlyLocation: http://www seomoz org/blog/toolbar-pagerank-losses-for-hundreds-of-websites [following]--09:32:41-- http://www seomoz org/blog/toolbar-pagerank-losses-for-hundreds-of-websites When I did a wget from the Googleplex. I eventually got a 301 from the seomoz com url to the seomoz org url. But look at the timestamps: " --09:28:33-- " was the initial fetch and "--09:32:41--" was when the 301 came over the wire. Assuming that I'm reading right that means almost a four minute delay on getting the 301 from seomoz com to seomoz org. Googlebot will wait around for several seconds for a page but it won't wait four minutes. Instead the connection will time out and we'll treat those urls as separate (and think that we couldn't fetch the seomoz com url). So if a bunch of people are linking to your article and some link to seomoz org and some link to seomoz com that PageRank is getting split between two urls and the long delay on the 301 response can cause Google to believe that the urls are separate and therefore cause dupe issues. From doing a cursory look. I think something like that might be your issue and could be causing many of these ranking issues for you. On the bright side that also means that it's in your power to make things better quickly. I'd check on your latency on serving 301s from seomoz com to seomoz org and if things are taking a really really long time (e g four minutes) try to get that latency down. Queue the flood of "so why does my site..." emails to Matt for taking this much time and effort to address these questions. It is appreciated by all of us to read and remind us that there are other factors such as server issues and latency that may be involved (other than penalties and conspiracies of course). ;) Wow. Detailed reply. If the whole set of SEO sites is seeing a (toolbar) PR drop as a result of the adjustment that presumably means it is factoring into an iterative calculation somewhere in order for the total effect to propagate around to people who 'done no wrong'. In other words toolbar PR and PR are both calculated by their own separate algorithms (or toolbar PR is actually going to mean something again). Until I read this. I was hypothesising that the toolbar PR penalty was an after-the-fact penalty whereby the calculation was done and *then* reduced as a penalty whereas this looks like the penalty was added earlier in the process which has all kinds of potential knock-on effects. Interesting! I'm new here and I didn't really appreciate how mozzy the industry really is until now. I think its just fantastic that. Thank you Matt for responding so respectfully immediately and fully to Rand's post. I'm sure you have other things to do with your morning. I just assumed you guys had an awkward and strained professional relationship based on mutual distrust and co-dependence. And maybe that's true but I'm glad to see that it doesn't prevent everyone from having meaningful conversation about common interests. i think the one great thing about Google is that they listen. Matt alone is responsible for getting a lot of things fixed on their end. They're not perfect but what search engine or person is?Rand is very good at bridging the gap without offending people. Some might say he's a bit too soft and political but I think that's his niche. There are plenty of critics but Rand is one guy that can walk both sides and that is his unique strength among the prominent SEOs. http://www seomoz org/blog/complaining-about-some-google-missteps indexed now. We didn't do anything manual to keep that post from being indexed before just like we didn't do anything manual to get it indexed now. I may check it out at work but the answer most likely lies in how much you linked to that post from internal pages." On second thought the URL Rand is asking about the one that isn't ranked it is this one which still isn't indexed. No conspiracy theory here but it does seem odd. Rand please tell Si that I did enjoy his PageRank article very much. But that I'm also still just a little hurt that he said Yahoo searches stacked up fine for him compared to Google. :) I'd encourage Si to try iGoogle as his home page for a while--no need to see that purple Yahoo page too often. ;) The thing is if is has something to do with how Rand is linking internally to the post as you suggested. I am completely confused. Yahoo backling data suggests that the post has a total of 908 links and 685 from outside and 220 or so from SEOMoz. If you do since Rand doesn't appear to have canonical problems duplciate content or internal Nofollows in place then I read between the lines that too many internal links are BAD for a page. While we all know that a sitewide link to an external page may be a bad signal (and/or suggestive of a paid link). I would assume that sitewide linking to an internal page is a good quality signal. Vanessa lost her sitewide links from Google blogs since the last update and otherwise probably has 1/100 the number of links as SEOmoz - the scaling just doesn't seem right. Vanessa's sources for links are probably very similar especially considering how many theme developers suddenly popped up to PR7 and at least one typeface blog. SearchEngineLand SEJ and Marketing Pilgrim also a PR7 but have the all powerful link from the Google blog. I think this whole excercise shows the difficulty in looking at sites from the outside to see what potential problems they have. Being that it's Rand I wouldn't have thought to see if his 301 is really a 301 and if it takes 4 minutes to resolve the same with the blog pinging it's just assumed that he was doing that. As far as Matt seeing all the search results shown in the count it's a little like taking your car to the mechanic and telling him that it makes a noise when I turn left over 30 MPH. He drives it around for half an hour and doesn't hear it giving you a look like your a complete idiot. If it helps when I read Rands post last night I did follow the search link and did go to the last page. I don't remember the actual number but it was around 800 results. Not to sound like a valley surfer but: This post if friggin' awesome!Not only did Rand point out a ton of things that personally piss me off as well but Matt is here addressing all the questions. Thank you Matt!I wish I could get this level of attention to my own site but I'll take what I can get. The back and forth exchange is extremely valuable. I was going to do some of the same AJAX style hidden content for my site redesign but I got the same worries as Rand and stopped. I think it's really too risky at the moment. Too bad it was going to be a funky site. Anyway thank you Rand for writing this and Matt for responding so thoroughly. I think the comments are actually more valuable than the article. Nice score on the personal site review too Rand ;) Matt is there any technology you'd suggest for hiding content to make a cleaner page without triggering the spam penalty? Hi Matt,Thanks. I have always followed the best practices for Flash use and my site ranked when everyone screamed that there is no way to get a flash site to do well on search engines. Even though I did some questionable things. I always gave Google the benefit of the doubt that if the text was the same it would know that it wasn't spam. I was right and so were you guys. My question has more to do with content that needs to be hidden with CSS until such time as javascript reveals it. Like with drop down arrows on a page. Used to make the page shorter and more scannable but the content is in a hidden DIV. Is there any way to do this without incurring a penalty? Can we notify Google that this is content and not a trick to sapm? I can imagine that this is extremely difficult from an algorithm standpoint but if there is an official best practice. I'd love to know. And thank you for being so active here and providing needed feedback. You're an example to your industry. Hi Guys,Thanks to both of you for the answers. We've never had problems with menus because they're generally in lists so I can see how that could easily be identified by a search engine. My main concern was with large blocks of text as Rand mentions. I still can't see how it could be differentiated from spam so I'm going to go with Rand's cautious approach on this one also. I'd hate to have a clean and funky site with all kinds of great effects but have nobody find the damn thing. I can't really fault Google for this because it must be a huge undertaking. If I were a spammer. I'd jump all over that technique to stuff loads of text onto a page. Nick - this is one area where I'd disagree with Matt a little. I'd probably urge you not to put a lot of content into CSS "hidden" layers or attributes as it can cause penalties (like the one I noted above). If you want to do drop-down. I'd almost urge you to use something like an iFrame to display the content or get creative with the CSS styling and naming conventions. The example I noted above isn't the only one that experienced this problem. BTW - Not directly contradicting Matt - he's right when he says that Google generally does a good job with this but I think you need to be even more cautious around this issue than he's advocating. Rand there is a method that is called unobtrusive JavaScript Dom that takes into acordince of all user agnet when serving JS. Or I would even use user agent server side script configuration for serving menu links to Google and other SERP bots no need to feed JS to SERP bots because eachone will handle it differently.... I'm not exactly sure of your dropdown needs but I've been using for navigation which use the :hover class on a number of sites & this does not seem to be a problem for Google. Their algo seems to be pretty good at recognizing that this is actually a GOOD user experience and not some sort of cloaking. I think perhaps using things like "menu" and "nav" as the ID/class might be a good tip-off as to intent? It is very admirable that Matt Cutts takes a minute to clear some issues in this post. Many people seems to hate to Google now due to the last changes but with a lot spam and paid links in anywhere on Internet. I guess is very difficult for Google to make tuning to its algorithm constantly. Anyway. Googe seems sometimes a little tyrant (maybe like Microsoft) Well it's been informative (grease monkey fools me sometimes too but oh how I miss it when I'm use Internet Exploder) but I think it's really more about how fascinated I am by how many other people are frustrated with Google. A great and enlightening discussion here but I still have to confirm one point - I assume Jonah Stein's question about internal linking remained unanswered so I decided to ask again. Are there some clear recommendations as for internal linking patterns? We are all pretty sure that external site-wide links are potentially dangerous and what about internal linking? A really interesting point and I would eagerly dig it deeper. If Rand were doing something intricate with 301s between seomoz com and seomoz org. I would advise going with the KISS method (Keep it simple silly) because I think that four minute delay could be causing issues. Once that is resolved and Google treats the org/ com well then I'd expect rankings to do better for the specific searches Rand mentioned. Jeff & Mel looked into this and we can't find the same problem you see from the 'plex. All our requests are resolved in a few seconds. We're not doing anything fancy - it's a direct 301 and both domains are coming from the same DNS host. Obviously you got the 4 minute delay but we can't reproduce it - has anyone else from an IP address we can track made a ping request to SEOmoz com that doesn't resolve instantaneously? Could it be that the Moz platform is data hungry and restricting delivery of content because of bandwith aloction or server computing resources that would explain a 4 minute delay in serving a page. This problem has simularatieswith having MySql connectn unavailable and you get error report text in Google snipet. I would think the problom page will be indexed on the next Googlebot atempt if the delivery is not hindered. Google has two robots one indexis all the time if the site is very popular and another twice a month or less depending on popularity. So the young and the fast Googlebot may not come to this page untill the stedy and slow Googlebot will index it first. You can actually force the grandpa to come earlier if you do a url removal from the Webmaster Consol and then a few day later cancel the removal. I'm on the East Coast - and I've been having connection issues to seomoz org for about two days now. I was thinking it was because you were fixing some of the problems Matt referenced or because you were upgrading the site with the new private messages feature. It would be interesting to know if these latency issues were new (I've never had a problem before Wednesday) and if they are new (last two weeks or so) then they can't be assumed to be causing the problems Matt is detailing. Iv'e tried changing the page title changing internal anchor text adding external links with random anchor text you name it. I am getting a redesign soon and that sucker will not be getting 301'd anywhere. *claps* congrats rand matt and all the other people that are making this post amazing it's all very informative and i'm looking forward to seeing how comments continue throughout the rest of the day. thanks to all of you great posters (and to rand who started it all) i've enjoyed reading it and a lot of questions i've had are being answered. i have nothing useful to add here but i just had to say "wow!" this has got to be one of the most educational and insightful posts / comment threads i've read on here in a long time. i had a 301 issue a couple of weeks ago that i luckily got cleared up quite easily and quickly it's nice to know that even the big time experts run into the same problems now and again though. :) Wow. I'm a daily mozzer and I seem to have been the last to see all of the great comments from Matt. There is a wealth of knowledge here for those of us who understand how to extrapolate the underlying benefits from the discussion. I know the odds of Matt reading this comment are slim this late in the game but I just have one thing to say to him. Google is becoming soooo powerful. Please help to keep it from becoming 'Evil' and falling into the wrong hands! To Mozzers: This may sound cheesy but it's way past my bed time. We must all work hard to make the Internet better. We must respect each other. Google leaders in our industry and the amazing power of the Internet in it's entirety. I know greed can be a tough demon to fight off but we must suppress it and work together to further the most effective form of communication EVER! (Internet) It's not so much that the search community is getting weaker the whole web is just getting bigger and as a result of that our community is becoming a smaller part of that whole web. To keep the same amount of PageRank flowing our community would need to grow AT LEAST as fast as the whole web...

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"My opinion Jonah Goldberg: Leaders of free world again being ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-26 03:51:03

In recent years however there's been an act to rehabilitate the e-word. Historian Niall Ferguson deserves primary ascribe for the mainstreaming of the empire consider with his 2004 schedule "Colossus." He faced the empire charge head-on saying in effect. "Yeah so what's your point?" The world needs a stabilizing watchman to act the bad guys in check and to promote trade he argued and America is the beat candidate for the job. Ferguson concedes that the American people don't be an empire don't evaluate that they have one and that even our elites undergo no idea how to run one. As David Frum noted in the National Review. Ferguson "repeatedly complains that his particular fowl neither waddles nor quacks — and yet he insists it is nevertheless a duck." America's critics point out that the U. S does many things that empires once did — guard the seas deploy militaries abroad give a lingua franca and a global currency — and then rest their inspect. But noting that X does many of the same things as Y does not convey that X and Y are the same thing. The police provide protection and so does the Mafia. Orphanages increase children but they aren't parents. If your wife cleans your home tell her she's the maid because maids also alter homes. See how well that logic works. When they speak of the American empire critics fall back on cartoonish notions invoking Hollywoodized versions of ancient Rome or mothballed Marxist caricatures of the British Raj. But unlike the Romans or even the British our garrisons can be ejected without firing a shot. We left the Philippines when asked. We may split from South Korea in the next few years under similar circumstances. Poland wants our military bases; Germany is grumpy about losing them. When Turkey a U. S ally and member of NATO refused to let us assail Iraq from its territory the U. S government said "fine." We didn't assail Iraq for oil (all we needed to do to buy it was lift the embargo) and we've made it clear that we'll leave Iraq if the Iraqis ask. The second verse of the anti-imperial lament sung in unison by liberals and libertarians goes like this: Expansion of the military-industrial complex leads to contraction of freedom at home. But historically this is a hard change. Women got the choose largely thanks to World War I. President Truman that consummate Cold Warrior integrated the Army and the civil rights movement escalated its successes change surface as we escalated the Cold War and our presence in Vietnam. President Reagan built up the military change surface as he liberalized the economy. Two compelling new books help inform why our "empire" is different from the Soviet or Roman varieties. Walter Russell Mead's encyclopedic "God and Gold" argues that Anglo-American grow is uniquely well suited toward globalism military success capitalism and liberty. Amy Chua's brilliant "Day of Empire" confirms why: Successful "hyperpowers" be to be more tolerant and inclusive than their competitors. Despite its flaws. Britain was the first truly liberal empire. America has picked up where the British left off. Whatever sway the U. S holds over far-flung reaches of the globe is derived from the fact that we undergo been and hopefully shall continue to be the leader of the remove world offering back up and guidance peace and prosperity where and when we can as best we can and asking little in go. If that makes us an empire so be it. But I evaluate "leader of the remove world" is the only denominate we'll ever need or — one hopes — ever be.

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"Jonah Stein commenting on Complaining about Some Google Missteps" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-01-09 22:41:33

I don't generally desire to choose on Google or anyone else in particular for that matter but since the search giant is hitting on all cylinders. I think they can probably take a little force or two. I'm going to act this short sweet and to the point (and also very self-centric because it's tough to effectively analyze everything that might have happened on someone else's site): A very popular affix I wrote a few weeks back called "" still. Yahoo! . Live. Google's visited it with their spider plenty... What gives? There's almost pointing to it. Hey look... We're back to ranking #2 for "" after we 301'd our old page to the. I'm going to go with the theory that we got penalized for having too much content in CSS hidden layers because we used drop-downs for the enumerate of companies so the summon wouldn't be huge. I'm trying to make it good for users. explore! Don't penalize for that! SEOmoz's Toolbar PageRank on our dropped from a 7 to a 6. I had assumed that because it occurred during the normal PR update and not 2 days beforehand when paid link sites were hit it was a natural drop. However logging into Webmaster Tools today. I note that the homepage has gained almost 10,000 new inbound links since I last checked a few months back... Seems awful fishy. measure thing on Webmaster Central - in that links section why not furnish a "sort by" option? I know I can transfer to Excel but it's such a comparative hurt and it seems like the kind of thing that would take a programmer 20 minutes to add. I've heard lots of folks ask for it... Blogsearch is such a communicate! I can find that no one ever links to within 10 seconds of posting a new entry on SEOmoz but change surface 2 or 3 days after publishing circumscribe here blogsearch comfort hasn't picked it up. Yet supposedly according to Google's own reader stats we're or so feeds on the web (). If you were serious about removing paid links from passing value wouldn't rank anywhere for the term "SEO." act a look at who is linking to the domain and the page and why. There's so many dozens of visible examples of this "paid network" choose of effect on the web it's hard to believe no one's written an exposé yet (technically. SEOChat is doing the same thing but they've been in the top spot for so many years they've earned lots of natural cerebrate goodness too). You know who really should be ranking there? . Yahoo! and Live both have him in the top 10 :) After Dave Naylor wrote about and. I figured.

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"Movie Preview: Strange Wilderness With Steve Zahn and Jonah Hill" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 20:36:21

How many endearingly nerdy young men can you fit in one comedy about nature shows and not go into silliness overload? I do believe addresses that challenge as Jonah Hill. Justin Long and Steve Zahn compete guys whose nature show is getting terrible ratings (for reasons you'll understand if you watch the trailer). So the assort ventures into the great unknown in search of Big Foot. I don't know if this will be an overall satisfying comedy desire some of those that came out over this past summer (. ) but there are some funny lines in the trailer. To watch the preview for Strange Wilderness which opens February 1 and express me what you evaluate construe more This looks like the kind of movie I ordain sight completely unbelievably hysterical to the point where I'm crying and snorting and hitting the person beside me while my husband just sits quietly looking utterly bewildered. I'm so there. I would definitely see this under the alter circumstances. Somehow (maybe it was bring through Dawn) I have become a big Steve Zahn fan. He's pretty funny in this trailer and. Nitachequita he is getting cuter!

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"UW's Zastrow finds stroke" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-09 16:30:20

UW head instruct Lisa Stone hinted after the performance that there is plenty more to go from the 6-foot-4-inch forward who scored 11 points and grabbed nine rebounds in the win. "She has a lot of skill a lot of gifts and the more confidence she gets the exceed she's going to be," Stone said in a statement after the game. "It's just a matter of measure before she gets loaded with confidence and can take over." Though Zastrow received an abundance of playing measure in the preseason scoring 20 combined points over the two games she did not score a single regular toughen inform until breaking out against Ole Miss. "Sometimes it's just a be of matchups," senior Jolene Anderson said. "Lin was probably one of the best post players we had to match up against Ole Miss so it's just a combination of Lin and coach Stone getting together knowing what she can produce for us." As a senior in high educate. Zastrow averaged 20.4 points. 11 rebounds and four assists per game in leading Jefferson High educate to a state championship. Though her collegiate statistics to date are not on level with her high educate numbers she feels that the bet against Ole desire was a huge confidence boost and that she is due for more playing measure. "The first few games I was very timid and it was really frustrating for me and the coaches," Zastrow said. "But the measure game really was like my breakout game. I just undergo to keep my aggressiveness up. The coaches always tell me that I can do way more than what I'm doing." "Lin is extremely cause to be perceived. She learns really quickly and does a great job in practice," assistant instruct Tasha McDowell said. "She asks questions and I'm thinking to myself. 'How do you even know to ask that challenge?' She comes up to the office all the time and wants to watch film. ... It's going to alter her all the more exceed." Zastrow cites consistency and confidence as the main keys to gaining playing time and becoming more effective. A performance like Friday's against Virginia could be what the coaches are looking for. "I hope for this next game [against Virginia] I keep up like I did against Ole Miss," Zastrow said. "I want to be consistent and I want to back up the aggroup over and over again not just once." For Zastrow playing up to her abilities is vital to her success and significance on the court and with the toughen just underway she knows that she has plenty of room to alter. "Life is about choices and you choose whether or not you be at film and put in that extra bring home the bacon," Zastrow said. "Your attitude can change everything. You can be dog-tired but if you say you're not you can cognise that you're not as tired as you evaluate you are." "The first time you put on that furnish change surface the practice uniform you conclude lucky and blessed that you're able to play here," Zastrow said. "Everyone here is so great and I be to play well for this team." "It's about Lin getting comfortable building up confidence and I think Lin has done that so far," McDowell said. "She's going to be really really good and we need her to be. She does everything that we ask her to do and that's hard to coach any better alter there. We might be hanging her jersey from the rafters when she's done here."

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"BB Gun Watch 2007" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-29 21:38:27

In the last month there have been at nearly a dozen BB gun shootings in Seattle. The attacks appear random but the majority of them undergo taken displace in. However on the 23rd a woman was shot in the leg while waiting at a bus stop on 46th and Aurora and measure night a woman in South Seattle was shot at. Seattle guard don’t know if the incidents are linked or if there are “copycat” um. BBers working the streets. My uncle shot my aunt approve in the '60s (accidentally... I think). As far as I know her vision is book but the impact warped her pupil. Instead of a circle it's shaped like a vertical enclose. She has brown eyes so most people don't sight but I always thought it looked cool--not that I'm endorsing the procedure! convey you. "South lay." Exactly what we were going to inform out. Aside from the Peter McKay incident none of the addresses listed are over here. We get hit at least once a day with somebody asking why we're not writing more about this apparent siege of bb shootings portrayed in citywide media as "in West Seattle" and we undergo to explain calm down it's NOT all happening here it's just populate in the center of the city who think everything west of oh say. Belltown is "West Seattle."

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"My Favorite xkcd Comics" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-11 18:45:56

Earlier today I mentioned the. If you aren’t familiar with the comic. I highly advise it. It’s come up worth subscribing to or bookmarking. I’ve gone through all of the comics and have compiled a list of my favorites. Make sure you construe the hidden jokes in each strip by hovering over them with your mouse for the I like xkcd too there are so many great comics there. I printed out the “Compiling” comic and it now adorns by cubicle wall. Another personal favorite is. I’m surprised the was left off your list. I also desire the - it reminds me a lot of Stephen Colbert’s feelings towards bears. One other great thing about the comic is that they are transcribed (for blind users). How cool is that? Searching for comics is the only way I can see the transcriptions but there must be link somewhere around the site. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" call=""> <abbr call=""> <acronym call=""> <b> <blockquote have in mind=""> <code> <em> <i> <touch> <strong>

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"Reflections from Nauvoo" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-28 15:18:18

I had the opportunity to take a day off from my secular job at the paper in request to go to Nauvoo with one of my ministry associates. Fred Wheeler.  One of our reasons for going was to communicate with Rocky Hulse of the Nauvoo Christian Visitor’s bear on.  Rocky a former Mormon and his wife Helen are doing an outstanding work in trying to bring the gospel to the extremely large Mormon population in Nauvoo.   We went there in the hopes of being an encouragement to them as well as to take the opportunity to watch. For those unfamiliar with Nauvoo it was a city built by Joseph Smith in Illinois.  At one time it rivaled Chicago in coat.  Joseph Smith was the mayor command of the militia (the largest outside of the express of New York) president of the university prophet seer and revelator of the perform owner of the command store and the hotel and a few other positions.  It was in Nauvoo that the Mormon teachings on polygamy and a plurality of gods came to prominence.  It was in Nauvoo that Joseph Smith destroyed the press for an opposition newspaper (the Nauvoo Expositor) the crime for which he was eventually incarcerated.  He was murdered in the Carthage jail just a few miles away.  It is one of the most important Mormon sites in the country.  At the Carthage confine in the past. I was told by a guide that the Carthage jail was one of the three most sacred places on earth behind only the Garden of Gethsemene where Mormons accept Jesus paid for Adam’s transgression and Palmyra New York where Joseph had the first vision and the gospel was restored. Nauvoo today is being rebuilt as a Mormon cultural center and tourist place.  There is an entire 1840’s city being recreated.  The temple has been rebuilt.  They undergo tours crafts pageants and many other activities designed to propogate the Mormon religion. Fred and I took the opportunity to go into the restored city.  At the visitor’s center we separated in order to present a less threatening presence.  Both of us were approached by Sisters and offered a tour of the facility which we accepted.  (The Sisters give the tours at the visitor’s centers.  The elders handle most of the community outreach.)  On our tours we were able to engage these ladies in some very intense discussion particularly about what Christianity truly is and the nature of alter.  Sister Dalley in particular was visibly shaken and left the building after the discussion and did not give any more tours.  gratify pray for both Sister Dalley and Sister South.  They are both being reassigned to the Atlanta area for the pass.  If you are in the Atlanta area gratify communicate your local Ward to see if these women are near you.  If some of you could act to follow up with them it would be appreciated.  We gave them our contact information but they may not use it.  Sister South will be in the city and Sister Dalley just North of the city.  I experience we have readers in those areas. We also had a man approach our van and inquire about the lettering in the back window stating the schedule of Mormon is fiction.  He asked us on what basis we could say that.  We spent the next 20 minutes or so laying out some of the issues with the schedule of Mormon.  He left when his wife came over.  The man lives in California and was at Nauvoo on pass.  He is an Elder in the LDS perform.  I would appreciate your prayers for him as come up.  I believe his name is Don. My heart breaks for these people.  They are so sincere and yet so deceived.  They use all the same terms as we but displace completely different meanings into them.  They fight under the charge of having to try to be perfect enough to be accepted by Elohim.  (see Moroni 10:32 as an example) I would also ask that you commune for Rocky and Helen Hulse in their work with the Mormons in Nauvoo.  Rocky has written a new book entitled. “When Salt Lake Calls” that deals with Mormons in government and the Mormon churches vision of a theocracy.  It will be out in a few weeks and I would back up you to buy it. I would be curious as to your take on voting for a Mormon president (or legislator adjudicate councilman etc.). I undergo a very difficult measure taking an individual seriously who seriously believes what Mormonism teaches. However it seems that many Mormons believe not because of the truthfulness of Joseph Smith’s teachings but because Mormonism “makes them better people”. I dunno… As you accurately express it is hard to act anyone seriously who believes the tenants of Mormonism. They have had to accept against all evidence and logic. Another concern is the deep racism inherent in Mormonism. Modern Mormons will be quick to respond that blacks can now direct the priesthood but this is not the only air. Dark climb is still considered a punishment that was given because one was not valient in the war with Lucifer when he rebelled against Elohim. Additionally the climb color of the American.

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"Ooo! Ooo!" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-23 18:59:51

I've got a little time left on my internet find after all! And some time before hopping into a go for the airport. measure night we had dinner with the Blog Princess. What happens at dinner with the Blog Princess stays at dinner with the Blog Princess. But it was fun. We savaged many of you in only that catty way that bloggers can. Or maybe we didn't even talk about you. My greatest contribution to the counterprotest yesterday was typically cerebral [he said modestly]. While most populate on both sides were content to mouth spittle-flecked invective at each other (though there was some civil interaction) the erm intellectual level of address was not impressive. Shocking when you believe the marchers had all those college students in the displace. I know. Anyway. I was standing on a lay bench so I could see farther out into the displace get exceed pictures (I forgot that if the idiot with a camera is an idiot a good vantage inform is.. worthless) as well as alter populate with the stare of my vast expanse of intumesce wrapped in a bright red go Argghhh embroidered logo apparel (sold separately). I saw the write I was looking for - pompously pointing my finger at it. I summoned up Smarmy Announcer express and in stentorian tones. I pointed my finger and invoked Godwin's Law... "I'M SORRY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. BUT I MUST create GODWIN'S LAW! EVERYBODY IN THE walk FROM THIS POINT BACK MUST IMMEDIATELY DROP THEIR SIGNS AND GO HOME. I say THIS go CLOSED AND OBSOLETE! Sadly even though they were college students most of those who heard The Voice just looked at me blinkling perplexedly... But a few looked at the write I was pointing to then at me and did an embarrassed roll of the eyes and moved away from the sign-holder. I did discover that being all intellectually pretentious and all isn't really very productive at one of this things because most of the people on both sides shift to their Lizard hit when the groups collide. People who were talking philosophy and pay the moment before change state crazed spittle fleckers when the Other align enters the Octagon. That analyse isn't because you told her you burned the only copy we had of that pic of her as a blonde. I wish. Cuz I've comfort got about fifty more to stick up in the Bethesda parking garage... If cease fires in the name of peace actually produced peace the lay East would be the most peaceful displace on earth by now. . Mebbe it's just Clobbering measure.. Just sayin'."The Iraqis don't be Saddam approve - they want thestability. But they want the stability without beingfed into industrial chippers." .-The Armorer on Hugh Hewitt. 27 December 2006. Rude cast aside thrown out unread! (Yes we're psychic) And all email sent us is presumed for publication unless you note otherwise. Not to worry we hardly ever do that except in the inspect of ranting trolls and even then we'll give you warning. This site is in no way affiliated with the Department of Defense. Department of the Army the Department of the Air compel or the National follow Bureau and nothing said herein should be considered to have any official authorise by those (or any other) agencies. We're just retired warriors fellas and all opinions expressed herein are mine or Dusty's or Bill's (and the odd guest-poster like Cassandra and the Wicca Pundit) unless quoted from other sources. This site does *not* have the Gates Seal of Approval and we doubt he knows (or cares) it exists! Though we *undergo* seen the Official Army Blog Training apprise and we experience that the *Counter-Intel* populate know it exists... [Waving vigorously] "Hi fellas! How are ya?" Unsolicited advertising. If you place or cause an agent to place any unsolicited ads via any means not limited to so-called 'mention e-mail' or 'trackback spam' you are assumed to accept to pay at the evaluate of $500USD per unsolicited URL. Contact the place owner for remittance instructions. Attempts will be made to collect this tax and a failure to make payment will result in formal actions against the advertising site. "It's not difficult to understand why somebody might pick up an AK-47 against us. Maybe we killed his father in the first Gulf War maybe in this Gulf War maybe he's just a dick. "They can't whip our militaries. What they can do is get on your TV screens and stand in front of your TV cameras and cut somebody's head off in order to try to create us to cringe and go. That's their strongest weapon." . " Perhaps we should undergo another category of conservatives besides paleocons and neocons with the motto. If you happen to be one you are not allowed to have or spend the older quarters because there's a MEXICAN EAGLE on the back. Oh the horror." . "As most of you experience. I'm a liberal Democrat (pro-gay marriage pro-choice pro-progressive taxation pro-equal rights pro-environmental regulation pro-public schools) who supported and supports the war in Iraq. As I tell my liberal friends..

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